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- From: strudeau@star.net (Scot Trudeau)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: 28.8 baud & telco responsibilities
- Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 19:51:28 GMT
- Organization: For the CDA: youstupiddumbshitgoddamnmotherfucker!
- Message-ID: <313ddaaa.12393222@news1.star.net>
- References: <todamhyp-2802961822500001@bhppp31.bluehawk.com> <4h4kaf$dla@netaxs.com> <todamhyp-2902961828310001@bhppp26.bluehawk.com> <4h8h5q$97a@bristlecone.together.net> <4hbhc4$g0s@news.ios.com>
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- In message <4hbhc4$g0s@news.ios.com>,
- jeremiah@ios.com (Jeremiah Kristal) wrote:
-
- >krw@together.net wrote:
- >>todamhyp@bluehawk.com (Brian M. Huey) writes:
- >>;>I know this...I know that telco comapnies are tariffed for 300-3300 Hz.
- >>;>
- >> As your reference post indicates there is a specified S/N ratio also. He was
- >> right on (other than a missing K or two ;) If should be 35K to 40K.
- >
- >I think you are confusing S/N with something else. The spec for POTS
- >lines says that the signal to noise ratio will be 24dB or greater.
- >The easy way to figure this is to take your receive signal level,
- >generally around -18 to -26dBm and subtract your noise level,
- >hopefully somewhere down aroun -60dBm.
- >I've seen S/N on POTS lines of 40, and generally get 28.8 if the S/N
- >is 32 or above. I've also seen S/N of 15 and NYNEX swore to me that
- >the lines were in spec.
-
- Also, the symbol rate will affect connection. I have a S/N of between 34
- and 36. Since a BBS that I call moved and had new lines installed, the
- symbol rate is never 3429 like it always was at their old place - the S/N
- hasn't changed. Now I only get the 3200 symbol rate (connecting my
- courier to their couriers). Can we say SLC installed by Nynex, I thought
- so. :-/
-
- >The S/N is only measured at one frequency, I think somewhere around a
- >1000Hz, so the telco can do some really cheesy things like start the
- >rolloff at 1000Hz rather than 3300Hz, and most people won't see it.
- >The best modem I've found to test this is the MultiTech MT2834BA, but
- >it is very expensive. I think the USR Courier will give you the
- >information, just not in a handy graph like the MultiTech.
-
- Using the excelent program, USRSTATS by Joe Frankewicz, one can get their
- statistics, including a graph of the frequencies from the ATY11 command,
- in seconds. The S/N isn't listed unfortunately. Here is the output from
- a recent connection:
-
- This is best viewed with a fixed font!
-
- Connection Summary:
- +-----------------------+-----------------+-----------------------------+
- | USRSTATS Version 4.06B| 03-06-96 13:44 | *70,365-9352 |
- +-----------------------+-----------+-----+-----------------------------+
- | Elapsed Time 00:01:05 | Modulation V.34 |
- | Blocks Received 1550 | Speed 26400/26400 |
- | Blers 2 | Symbol Rate 3200/3200 |
- | Blocks sent 44 | Carrier Freq (Hz) 1829/1829 |
- | Link Naks 0 | Trellis Code 64S-4D/64S-4D |
- | Blocks resent 0 | Nonlinear Encoding ON/ON |
- | Link Timeouts 0 | Precoding OFF/ON |
- | Chars sent 0 | Shaping OFF/OFF |
- | Octets sent 170 | Preemphasis Index 6/6 |
- | Chars lost 0 | Rx/Tx Level (-dB) 32.8/14.0 |
- | Chars Received 22016 | Roundtrip Delay mS 4 |
- | Octets Received 14159 | Retrains Requested 0 |
- | Protocol LAPM | Retrains Granted 0 |
- | Block Size 244 | Fallback Enabled |
- | Window Size 15 | HST Line Reversals 0 |
- | Compression V42BIS | HST Equalization Long |
- | Dictionary Size 2048 | SV: 01/23/96 DSP: 01/17/96 |
- | String Length 32 | Reason: Online |
- +-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
-
- Channel Probe:
- +---------------------------------------------------------------+
- | -26 | . x x x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | 0 |
- | -28 | . X X X X X X x x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | 2 |
- | -30 | . X X X X X X X X X x . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | 4 |
- | -32 | . X X X X X X X X X X X x x . . . . . . . . . . . | 6 |
- | -34 | x X X X X X X X X X X X X X X x . . . . . . . . . | 8 |
- | -36 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X x x . . . . . . | 10 |
- | -38 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X x . . . . | 12 |
- | -40 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X . . . | 14 |
- | -42 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X . . | 16 |
- | -44 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X . . | 18 |
- | -46 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X x . | 20 |
- | -48 |*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*.*| 22 |
- | -50 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X . | 24 |
- | -52 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X . | 26 |
- | -54 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X . | 28 |
- | -56 | X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X | 30 |
- |Level+---------------------------------------------------+Atten|
- | 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 |
- | 1 3 4 6 7 9 0 2 3 5 6 8 9 1 2 4 5 7 8 0 1 3 4 6 7 |
- | 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 |
- | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
- +---------------------------------------------------------------+
-
- Current Settings:
- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
- | B1 C1 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X6 |
- | BAUD=57600 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 |
- | DIAL=HUNT OFF HOOK TIMER |
- | |
- | &A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K2 &L0 &M5 &N0 |
- | &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &X0 &Y1 %N6 #CID=0 |
- | |
- | S00=000 S01=000 S02=061 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 |
- | S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=045 S12=050 S13=000 S14=000 S15=000 |
- | S16=000 S17=000 S18=000 S19=000 S20=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 |
- | S24=150 S25=005 S26=001 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S30=000 S31=000 |
- | S32=008 S33=000 S34=000 S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=000 S39=000 |
- | S40=000 S41=000 S42=126 S43=200 S44=000 S45=000 S46=000 S47=000 |
- | S48=000 S49=000 S50=000 S51=000 S52=000 S53=000 S54=000 S55=000 |
- | S56=000 S57=000 S58=000 S59=000 S60=000 S61=000 S62=000 S63=000 |
- | S64=000 S65=000 S66=000 S67=000 S68=000 S69=000 S70=000 |
- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
-
-
- As you can see, there is lots of rolloff starting around 1000Hz. I used
- to get 28.8k connections 95% of the time before the BBS moved.
-
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